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Kill All Normies: Online culture wars from 4chan and Tumblr to Trump and the alt-right

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The rest of the discussion focused around the relation between internet cultures and power, with the alt-right’s direct line to Breitbart and identity politics ability to shape public policy despite any coherence or ability to organise a mass movement. In addition to not properly providing justifications for some of the claims she makes, Nagel routinely mischaracterizes positions, with a general trend of favoring the right. For all that the title reads "4chan and Tumblr," her understanding of the online left is woefully inadequate. The book reads as though Nagle took her understanding of Tumblr simply from watching people on 4chan make fun of it, rather than doing any actual research herself. She completely misunderstands the divisions and subculture of the online left, and minimizes complaints about racism, sexism, and homophobia without even attempting to explain the left's point of view. She editoralizes the story of Gamergate with her own complaints about immature a hobby gaming is (irrelevant, and insulting besides) and how horrible a game she thought Depression Quest was, as if making a horrible game justifies death threats and ongoing harassment. She even goes so far as to equate people desiring to chop off their own limbs with transgender rights and the "spoonie" chronic illness community, which is...troubling, to say the le A similar merging of sadism and sentimentalism is mirrored in what Nagle calls ‘Tumblr-liberalism’.

Todd Gitlin, a key figure in the Berkeley New Left movement, emerged as an internal critic of the left over that round of campus wars, arguing that the left ‘marched on the English department while the right took the White House.” When Milo challenged his protesters to argue with him countless times on his tour, he knew that they not only wouldn’t, but also that they couldn’t. They come from an utterly intellectually shut-down world of Tumblr and trigger warnings, and the purging of dissent in which they have only learned to recite jargon.” I also liked that she shows how there is just as much infighting on the right. I see lots of calls for left unity online with the reasoning is that the Right is so united, but that is not the case at all. She highlights the differences in belief of different groups and explains why they hate each other just as much as they hate the mainstream. a b c d e f g Nagle, Angela (12 August 2017). "The roots of the alt-right". Vox (Interview). Interviewed by Illing, Sean. Archived from the original on 9 July 2021 . Retrieved 14 March 2018.A great example of how this kind of culture works, in practice, came out of an exposé on the way Riot Games, a video game publisher for the hit game League of Legends, treated women in the company’s employ. [6] Riot exemplified the kind of hierarchical gate-keeping that Nagel describes as the usual reason for women’s abuse in these spaces. However, the exposé revealed how, even if women perfectly met these transgressive counter-cultural standards (or even far and away exceeded them!), they were still met with the same kind of harassment. Clearly, just “slipping up and ‘not getting’ subcultural conventions” is an unsatisfactory explanation for the abuse women face in these communities. The anonymous denizens of 4chan's other boards — devoted to travel, fitness and several genres of pornography — refer to the /b/-dwellers as "/b/tards." Measured in terms of depravity, insularity and traffic-driven turnover, the culture of /b/ has little precedent. /b/ reads like the inside of a highschool bathroom stall, or an obscene telephone party line, or a blog with no posts and all comments filled with slang that you are too old to understand. It made the reputations of several people who later became figureheads, most notably the now-disgraced former Breitbart writer Milo Yiannopoulos. Yiannopoulos and others, like the former men's rights activist and conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich and Vice co-founder Gavin McInnes, wrapped their more offensive opinions in slippery layers of irony, and Nagle refers to them as "the alt-light". I thought there were interesting arguments about transgression in art and the way the response to girls and women's voices in all male spaces (such as 4Chan) is so strong and hateful. She even suggested some historical precedents for the latter! Amazing in a book without any footnotes. She seemed really impassioned by the way women are victimised by simply being women on these forums - I would say she's feminist but elsewhere in the book she blames feminists for alienating men and turning them into MRAs. The event began with an introduction by US academic Catherine Lui tracing Nagle’s account of the phenomena of sadism and sentimentalism as emanating from the 18th century.

Amidst the chaos of our times, it is a relief to have a brilliant and fearless critic like Angela Nagle to turn to. Unwilling to stomach the liberal shibboleths that fail to adequately explain the emergence and significance of right-wing subculture, she's the only one willing to descend into the grimiest of Internet grottos and give us the benefit of her incisive and cool-headed analysis. Chapo Trap House - Amber A'Lee Frost

I have no idea what someone like Milo really believes,” says Nagle. “But I feel like he’s very useful for people to the right of him. He helped to break down taboos around speaking about race and gender in particular ways.” They have developed a surprisingly high profile. Mainstream columnists use their terminology when they discuss “Social Justice Warriors” and “Generation Snowflake.” The book lists some of the numerous recently confabulated genders, mostly personality descriptors more than anything to do with gender. Nagle identifies Judith Butler more than any other theorist as primarily responsible for an unleashing of gender taxonomies that have undermined systemic accounts of gender. Nagle is incredibly brave to step forward to broach these matters, however tentatively. This burgeoning will, for honesty and a return to a structural, material analysis that it is so easy to forget exists when online, should be afforded the admiration it deserves.

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